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Vulnerable people at WCA
I have just had one of neighbours at the door in a panic, he is due to attend a WCA on Thursday. I wish he had come to see me earlier, i could have coached him a little.
This man is nearly 50, but has learning difficulties, he really is a genuine case if ever there was one. His older sister will be with him, but i am dreading them both being duped by a potentially cunning “healthcare professional”. Such behaviour is well documented out there on the WWW.
This sort of situation really infuriates me, the chancers know all the dodges, but the vulnerable will trip themselves up with being too eager to please. It really is a lamb to the slaughter.
I have already explained to the guy that i have physical evidence, in the form of wasted muscles, i passed easily enough. He however must let his older sister, the one who knows his problems, to do most of the talking. He is just not mentally equipped to fathom out the required responses. How can a man who can’t even change his bedclothes be placed under pressure like this? It sickens me to the core.
To see a vulnerable middle aged man in tears, and sick with worry, is certainly not what i want to see in a civilised society. Damn the politicians and their financial masters, for bringing all this unnecessary fear on those who are totally innocent.
Even this poor man knows he is being picked on, through his tears he asked me why “they” are hurting him, when the money men caused the mess. I replied “because they are bullies”.
Rant over, sorry i am bloody angry.
Ranald
Re: Vulnerable people at WCANo need to apologise – it’s infuriating. I know someone in a similar situation to your neighbour, she and her family had to go to tribunal which ruled in her favour but caused no end of stress and worry beforehand. Sadly, I have written many reports in my other job about the distress these things cause
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Re: Vulnerable people at WCA@ranald wrote:
To see a vulnerable middle aged man in tears, and sick with worry, is certainly not what i want to see in a civilised society. Damn the politicians and their financial masters, for bringing all this unnecessary fear on those who are totally innocent.
That poor soul
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Re: Vulnerable people at WCARanald not surprised it wound you up. Its the vulnerible in society that will be most affected by the benefit changes not those that actually abuse the system and know how to work it.
No wonder your neighbour is terrified, I am dreading the review of my DLA. Fingers crossed for a good outcome, do let us know how he gets on.
Re: Vulnerable people at WCAMy neighbour is up tomorrow at 1130,he has his sister to do the talking for him. I told him not to shave and to wear his crumpled, worn out tracksuit. He was going to get dressed up for the buggers. (these poor people are very eager to please)
A man of nearly fifty, my nine year old daughter is more sophisticated mentally than him, he really needs to be led by the hand. It is disgusting that he should be treated in this way. He hasn’t been sleeping properly, and is sick with worry. I will post as soon i i hear how he got on.
Re: Vulnerable people at WCA@ranald wrote:
To see a vulnerable middle aged man in tears, and sick with worry, is certainly not what i want to see in a civilised society. Damn the politicians and their financial masters, for bringing all this unnecessary fear on those who are totally innocent.
RanaldIf this is happening we have lost our cvilization. So very wrong.
A government should not terrorize it’s citizens just to give money to rich bankers.
@ranald wrote:
Rant over, sorry i am bloody angry.
RanaldThis is an appropriate response. Also the telling of lies through the media to justify it and stigmatise
vulnerable people as well as steal threor money is unforgiveable (Hello Mr Leveson)"Even if you are not paranoid, it does not mean they are not out to get you!".
Re: Vulnerable people at WCAI haven’t yet heard how my neighbour got on, he lives up two flights of stairs, obviously i will not be bounding up the stairs to knock on his door.
The thing about this that really upset me, was him questioning his own validity to ESA, he has obviously heard negative comments in the media, relating to benefit claimants. The guy has learning difficulties, he has and always will be dependent and vulnerable, he has been on Incapacity Benefit since it’s inception, and no doubt Invalidity Benefit before that, he is certainly no fraud.
I am not certain, but fairly confident that he will score the required 15 points. He works 8 hours a week as a factory cleaner, i told him to play that down, he only cleans the toilets and empties the bins, the factory owner is very kind to him, the job has sort of been created for him. He loves getting up and out early in the morning, he feels a real sense of pride.
I will try to find out tonight by sending another neighbour to his door.
Re: Vulnerable people at WCAI have just spoken to a very relieved neighbour, he is absolutely delighted to put the WCA behind him. (for now anyway) He took my advice, and wore his worn out, crumpled track-suit, didn’t shave and topped the look off trainers that have a hole in them!
He only has a bath on a Friday afternoon, so he was nice and smelly for them today too.
It was quite funny this morning, i was in the kitchen when he came out to get into his sister’s car. She had told him to dress smartly, and she was horrified by his appearance! I was trying not to laugh as i heard him telling her that Ranald and another neighbour, had told him to look unkempt.
According to my neighbour, he was not required to do much talking, his sister was able to explain how his learning difficulties affect his day-to-day life, what tasks he requires help with, can he use money etc.
Although he is relieved, he is now starting to worry about failing to secure the minimum points. I have assured him that if the worst comes to the worst, i will help him to appeal straight away.
Re: Vulnerable people at WCAHi Ranald
Glad your neighbour got on ok, terrible he was in the situation in the first place. Also terrible how we are all swapping stories on this forum on how to work the system just so we dont get penalised by the very system that is there to suposedly help us. Like we choose to be on benefits…its those that can work but dont that want to live on them..
AAARGH
Re: Vulnerable people at WCAI have to say, that i don’t know anyone who chooses to live on benefits. All five of us in this block, have just sort of re-adjusted to a life without work. One of us (arthritis and psoriasis) has managed to secure 16 hours per week, but i think he will be worse off for his troubles.
He will earn about £97 pw, with a top-up of the disabled element of WTC. The monthly buspass (he only gets LRC and LRM) is £91 pm, so he will only be earning for 3 weeks out of every month! He will now be required to pay full rent and council tax, (minus 25% single person discount) and i doubt the WTC will amount to much more than £80 pw.
There is alot to be said for doing the right thing, but if it makes one significantly worse off? He shares my view, that if he breaks even it will be worth it, he can feel like he is contributing to society again.
As for my neighbour and his WCA, he really doesn’t have to pretend anything. He really isn’t fit to look after himself. I just didn’t want him dressing up and looking better kept than normal. His personal hygiene isn’t up to much at the best of times!
I wouldn’t advise anyone to tell porkies during the arbitrary WCA, but that doesn’t mean we need to help them to stitch us up!
I suppose it is easier for someone with an obvious physical disability. Although i don’t look disabled fully clothed, and am still mobile(ish), i have wasted muscles to show off to the doctor. The people with mental conditions have to be very clear pointing out what their limitations are.
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