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  • #73424
    Pathways 6 month review

    I had my Pathways to Work six monthly review today at my local Triage Centre, it is the private provider one is sent to for ESA business in my area. What an absolute joke!

    First thing i noticed was that all of the staff were a different crowd from those i saw last July, doesn’t say much for their job as far as i am concerned. ;) Anyway i am the only “customer” in the building and am quickly called forward, up 2 steps i may add by a young lady with a severe sunbed tan and lots of jewellery, there is no accounting for taste after all…

    I am asked how my health is and i am polite enough to say ok thanks but as my condition is progressive i am not finding things any easier. This didn’t cut any ice as i was immediately asked what i had done in the last 6 months to find gainful employment, their raison d’etre.

    I explained that i had been on ESA for just over a year and tbh, i didn’t see me finding a job in the near future and i had more or less given up, the divorce and the worsening of my condition had kind of knocked the wind out of my sails, blah blah, still no sign of understanding.

    I explained that i felt i needed to get myself qualified at college to stand a chance of achieving my potential in the modern job market, this was met with so much hogwash i could hardly believe what i was hearing! Why would i want to go to college when there was a new Poundland opening on the High Street? After all, what use are qualifications without experience?

    This girl is not living in the same world as me, she was telling me the total opposite to what would be of help to someone with my condition, taking a minimum wage job is all they care about to get their company its bonus, they couldn’t give a damn if i end up hurting myself in a fast paced retail environment, its all about getting you back to work, any work!

    I would ask any of you guys, when you go shopping, how many crips on elbow crutches do you see in the High Street shops? I don’t think i have ever seen any, the reason being that we are not physically able to do it! She said i had a negative attitude! What a surprise! :lol:

    I am going to go to college and they can stuff their Poundland slave labour for teenagers and others using it as a stopgap, i worked very hard in many physical jobs for 20 years and i ain’t about to go back to it hobbling on goddam crutches!

    Rant over thanks very much if you read all my ravings.

    Ranald

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    #78502
    Re: Pathways 6 month review

    Good to get that rant out of your system. Your experience makes me angry and I am guessing that it is not an isolated incident. I’d like to know how they go about recruiting people like the girl you saw. She said you have a negative attitude? :o I would say her attitude needs a bit of working on.

    So what happens next, do you get some sort of correspondence from this review?

    A learning experience is one of those things that say, “You know that thing you just did? Don’t do that.” - Douglas Adams

    sar78 sar78
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    #78503
    Re: Pathways 6 month review

    Jeez Renald, sounds like a lot of fun. :cry: How do they think someone with a condition like ours would be able to cope with standing all day dealing with customers. Idiots! As you correctly state, they are not interested in the individual, only in their bonus.
    Hey, don’t worry about ranting either. I think it’s good that everyone is letting us know what is happening out there, the only way we can have the knowledge to fight all this bollocks. :twisted:

    Hope things work out ok for you. ;)

    Paul58
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    #78504
    Re: Pathways 6 month review

    Frankly, these SOBs need to get a reality check. WE are genuinely disabled and they are treating us like charlatans. They have no real knowledge of disability even less when it comes to a progressive neuromuscular condition like MD. How the hell are we meant to work in a fast paced retail environment for minimum wage swapping one hell for another? On your feet all day that would be sheer torture. These parasites are just soulless bureaucrats following the orders of a callous Conservative government trying to get everyone off welfare regardless of whether they are genuine or not. I’m beginning to regret voting Conservative perhaps I was naive when they said “genuine disabled people have nothing to fear” I naturally believed them. Then again I am young, but I’m learning…. I will be writing to the DWP at some point expressing my disdain and moral outrage. I urge everone else to voice their concerns etc

    I’m sorry you were treated so shabbily Ranald. What happens now? I grimace at the prospect of being summoned to one of these places; the one thing the government does not use is common sense or logic.

    I hate the idea of being forced into a minimum wage job just because I’m disabled or being classed as “work capable” when I’m clearly not. If I wasn’t disabled I would be in the army, police force or have an apprenticeship like any regular working-class lad. However, because I have MD those avenues are closed to me and don’t have many career options. Despite being relatively educated: A Levels and a HND (I did attend University for 7 months, but due to my condition I dropped out as I received no support and do not have a care-er)I lack the physical capacity to work which I find depressing to some extent. Should my health ever improve I will probably apply to become a trainee parole/probation officer, but given the nature of my condition and current recession and cuts to government departments bar a miracle I won’t hold my breath.

    Sar78 and Paul58 what’s your situation R.E: employment?

    I think the MD campaign should set up an advocacy group for matters such as these. I’m pretty sure one could argue that this kind of treatment is an infringement on our human rights as disabled people.

    I’d love to hear more so please post any thoughts, comments etc

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    #78507
    Re: Pathways 6 month review

    Cannot believe what I am reading. This attitude is just terrible.

    This is 2011, is poor Ranald supposed to apologise for having a disability? People
    should not be put under pressure like this.

    They really would like to force us all to work a few part time hours at Poundland
    for minimum wage. Just enough for a couple of bowls of Gruel a day (Don’t you
    are ask for more).

    I assume the folks at ATOS will have the same enlightened attitude.

    "Even if you are not paranoid, it does not mean they are not out to get you!".

    taungfox
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    #78505
    Re: Pathways 6 month review

    Poundland!! I can’t even get my chair round that shop its so crammed full of stuff, let alone if they wanted someone to work in there :roll:

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    #78506
    Re: Pathways 6 month review

    @mark117 wrote:

    1) I’m beginning to regret voting Conservative perhaps I was naive when they said “genuine disabled people have nothing to fear” I naturally believed them.
    2) Sar78 and Paul58 what’s your situation R.E: employment?

    1) I’ll let you off as you are young. ;) Just remember this at the next election.

    2) I’ve worked full time all my life, mainly at a desk. :D Since I was diagnosed 3.1/2 years ago I find even working at a desk harder as I feel more tired. I’ve had to give up some elements of my job e.g. Health & Safety, I just cannot manage to walk around for the long periods needed to do this. I’ve also given up the First Aid as if I went down to do anything I’d never get up again! :lol: The biggest fear is if I lost my current job. I’m sure I would find it hard to get another one with the condition impacting more and more. :cry:
    I realise I’m relatively lucky in how things have gone for me, but it still makes me worry about the future as the current governments attitude is awful towards the disabled. I’m really glad Ranald posted this, as I said before knowledge is power and we must all know what is happenign to our fellow sufferers and fight back.

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    #78508
    Re: Pathways 6 month review

    Poundland and other discount stores are just about the most stressful and crowded shopping experiences anyone could have, they are always mobbed.
    This font of knowledge who interviewed me was a barmaid up until six months ago and doesn’t have a clue! I have driven vans, lorries and buses almost all my working life, apart from McDonalds for 2 years when i was a teenager and various labouring jobs, i am not a wee boy and frankly didn’t need to be patronised by such a creature.
    The bottom line is, we ESA claimants don’t have to look for work and she can only get her claws into me twice a year, it is just a case of grinning and baring it. She will most probably be gone by July when i next am due a review, they never seem to last in that place, it is a non-job.

    Ranald

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    #78509
    Re: Pathways 6 month review

    @ranald wrote:

    This font of knowledge who interviewed me was a barmaid up until six months ago

    This gets worse. Now, I’m not decrying bar work (did it myself for two years when my daughter was born, no wonder I had trouble pulling pints, didn’t know I had MD then), but how can someone with no experience of disabilities assess whether or not someone can do different types of work.

    Just thought of something. Perhaps this is a job for disabled people. Plenty of understanding, empathy and common sense that is required would be available. Aah, but that would not get people off the benefits, which is what this all about in reality. Bloody government! :evil:

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    #78510
    Re: Pathways 6 month review

    Oh good grief — I am sooooo going to have to reign in my major sarcasm if and when I get interviewed :lol:

    @paul58 wrote:

    Just thought of something. Perhaps this is a job for disabled people. Plenty of understanding, empathy and common sense that is required would be available. Aah, but that would not get people off the benefits, which is what this all about in reality. Bloody government! :evil:

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    #78511
    Re: Pathways 6 month review

    I wish i could appease my natural working class hatred of the tories here but it was the red lot that started the ball rolling with regards to ESA and lets face it, you couldn’t slip a cigarette paper between any of the main political parties these days!
    I too wouldn’t dream of looking down on a bar person, i have done plenty of lowly jobs myself but i have to agree with you Paul. What on Earth qualifies her to lecture me on what is or isn’t approprite to my condition?

    Ranald

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    #78512
    Re: Pathways 6 month review

    I feel the urge to bore you all with an anecdote … get comfy …

    The year, around 1996/1998 … I was out of work [again] and looking for a fresh challenge … our local “Job Centre” had employed an assistant to the Disability Employment officer … like anyone starting a new job she was full of enthusiasm and encouragement, bless her, determined to help match the right opportunities to the disabled people of town. She would regularly telephone peeps to inform them of the latest jobs being advertised in the job centre and discuss getting their cv put through.

    I received such a call, and it went something like this …

    ADEO – Hey, its me. I am calling to tell you of a great job that would suit you so well.
    ME – Oh?
    ADEO – Yes, you like ships and sailing and things of that nature, right?
    ME – Yes I have sailed on adapted ships and have a range of nautical knowledge and protocols
    ADEO – I thought so. This Company, a rig supply company, needs a purser
    [short silence, I was waiting for elaboration, like land based at their offices]
    ME – A purser … but that means onboard ship
    ADEO – Well yes, but you’ve done that sort of thing
    ME – There is only one ocean going ‘ship’ in the world equipped to take wheelchair sailors and it is not a rig supply vessel
    ADEO – So you don’t want to go for it?
    [at this point she was about to launch into her, your benefit may be stopped if speech but I interrupted]
    ME – Tell you what, could you phone their Human Resources person and ask if they are willing to take a wheelchair purser on their ships? Because you do realise that their weather doors have a minimum 18 inches lip to step over, and their stairs are steeper and tighter than land stairs, the heads and showers are designed to fit in a closet. If they say yes, I will put my cv to them.
    ADEO – I’ll call them

    Strangely I never heard back about this job. The next time she called it was about a job with the Health and Safety Executive, to go on sites and inspect buildings and scaffolding and other hard hat steel toe cap booted jobs. She was a hoot :lol:

    The dunce precedent is set as far as ’employment advising’ goes. ::shakeshead::

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    #78513
    Re: Pathways 6 month review

    That is just a displaying a negative attitude now AMG!
    You know full well that you would flourish on a construction site and all it takes is a positive mental attitude to overcome any hurdle… ;)

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    #78501
    Re: Pathways 6 month review

    hi waving the white flag before I start…

    Right.. I used to work for or should I say be force to work for goverment careers sevice for school leavers up to the age of 25. It was my first admin posting on a training scheme fresh from school on something like a crappy 49 quid a week. They sent people to everything and anything even if it didn’t match that person abilities or career path, just to justify paying them benefit. I was continually pass over for a perm position even though I was more qualified than the others. And I may add that an office that specialised in getting disabled school leavers jobs or further education wasnt accessible to its disabled staff or visitors..

    ok. when undergoing interigation.. cough interview.. you have to be a bit of a smart ass but be polite at the same time..Its your interview make it work for you be armed with questions it will probably be too much for her! Will send her into melt down as shes not quailified to answer anything.

    soo when your barmaid/admin person who is certanilly not a qualified careers adviser, (coz it is a degree) asks you in a very perky voice “what about the fab new position at very busy discount store poundland”

    Your reply is -“Have you carried out an access and risk assessment of this postion and the working environment”
    This wont have been done as they cant possible visit everywhere and cover situations for every candidate.
    Educate her a little. You have MD and their would be too many duties in a store like this that you couldn’t complete, you could never stack shelves as you cant bend or reach up, their is too many trip hazards around the store and is too enclosed. Your would find working the till challanging as it would also require reaching, lifting and standing for long perionds of time. handling the money requires fine motor skill that are greatly reducing due to your condition. You seldom shop in stores like this as they are very Claustrophobic and nosy. And the back stores will be even worse with heavy doors and probably wont have a disabled loo. You also feel that they couldn’t accomadate your need to use the loo regular or very suddinly and you feel highlighting this very degrading.. cry if you can :cry:

    And what ever you do dont let them send you to a fast food place like Mcdonalds, kfc, burger king coz you will never get off cleaning duty. the uneducated kid gets promoted to store manager after sticking it more than 6 months but you will have noticed that its nearly always older, disabled or foreign people that are landed with cleanup for ever. One of the reastaurants near me has had the same cleaner for years, she has a slight hearing problem and has requested several times to work the till and has been refused. she has a maths degree…. She cant leave as its good pay and good hours for her kids..

    Their is plenty of jobs in the retail industry that wee could do but sadly the entrance level jobs(unlesss you know someone who works for them) are often the harder pysical low paid jobs. ie the guy at asda with a wooden leg gets to collect the trollies instead of sitting in the petrol station booth..

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    #78514
    Re: Pathways 6 month review

    @catatude wrote:

    You also feel that they couldn’t accomadate your need to use the loo regular or very suddinly and you feel highlighting this very degrading.. cry if you can :cry:

    :lol: :lol: love it!

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    #78515
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    @catatude wrote:

    Your reply is -“Have you carried out an access and risk assessment of this position and the working environment”
    This wont have been done as they cant possible visit everywhere and cover situations for every candidate.
    Educate her a little. You have MD and their would be too many duties in a store like this that you couldn’t complete, you could never stack shelves as you cant bend or reach up, their is too many trip hazards around the store and is too enclosed. Your would find working the till challenging as it would also require reaching, lifting and standing for long periods of time. handling the money requires fine motor skill that are greatly reducing due to your condition. You seldom shop in stores like this as they are very Claustrophobic and nosy. And the back stores will be even worse with heavy doors and probably wont have a disabled loo. You also feel that they couldn’t accommodate your need to use the loo regular or very suddenly and you feel highlighting this very degrading.. cry if you can :cry:

    cat

    Oww gold stars ….. hit em with their own paperwork :P :twisted:

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    #78516
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    Just makes me angry thinking about all this, your experience Ranald.

    I had a letter in December 2009 saying I had to attend an interview because I was a new income support claimant. I contacted the office in question & said it’s very inconvenient & hard for me to get out, did I really have to go considering my condition or could they come to me ? I even offered my permission for them to speak to my specialist & my GP to confirm my condition if they so wished. “No ! You must come into the office & you have to be seen by us”. I thought to myself these people must be more qualified than my own two Doctors then if they’re not willing to take their word for it. After a bit of juggling with my Dad’s work, so he could take me to this appointment, I eventually managed to get into this place one Monday afternoon at the end of Jan 2010. My Dad dropped me off by the ramp to the building & then tried to find somewhere to park, I went in, they asked me to sit, I said I couldn’t or else I wouldn’t get up. The man asked me five questions & that was it. I was outside again looking for me Dad before he’d even managed to park the car. And I haven’t heard from these people again. Complete waste of time for me & my Dad.

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    #78517
    Re: Pathways 6 month review

    Thanks for the tips from the horse’s mouth Catatude but the inescapable fact is i don’t have to look for work when claiming ESA, there is no penalty for not doing so. I have absolutely no intention of working for minimum wage.

    My last 10 years of employment were quite well paid and i am not physically able of doing anything of that nature in the future, i need to be educated not sit sit on a till in Poundland. The transparency and gall of these people is there for all to see, they are only there to pay lip service to the “customer” and palm them off into low skill,dead end employment.

    If you or i did fancy a spell in Poundland, how long do you reckon we would last? I bet i would handle about one week before i knackered myself and called in sick, i would end up sacked as i had been there less than a year and back to square one with regards to ESA! Not worth the hassle really…

    Keep smiling guys
    Ranald

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    #78518
    Re: Pathways 6 month review

    If you or i did fancy a spell in Poundland, how long do you reckon we would last?

    thats assuming we could even get parked :lol: or that the shop wasnt that far into a mall that we would have keeled over trying to crawl our way there.

    i need to be educated

    I think you are as well going down this road. as at the minute their is hardly any jobs to get. Have a look at the ilascotland.org.uk. I did a study from home course with them cost me £10 they pay the rest. I did the European Driving Licence thingy to brush up on my computer skills and upgrade my qualifications as my dept is facing redundances.

    ranald what did you do before???

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    #78519
    Re: Pathways 6 month review

    Well since you ask catatude, i was a bus driver for 10 years up until September 2009 when i went on the Pat n’ Mick. I was sacked in December 2009 when they discovered my driving licence had been revoked and i have been idle ever since.

    Prior to that i was a HGV driver and general dogsbody for an employment agency, have also done loads of parcel delivery and labouring jobs, looking back i can see that feeling as knackered as i did was not normal! I just assumed we all went home feeling like that! ;)

    I have mentioned before that i am divorced and have 2 daughters, i blame it on a combination of awful shifts, MD diagnosis/refusal to accept diagnosis and my subsequent foul temper. I accept i wasn’t a nice person to be around in the years since i was diagnosed, i still find myself sullen and withdrawn very often, a real catch for the ladies…

    I too was given the ILA Voucher but i have been depressed, still am in fact and didn’t bother doing anything about it although i did initially intend to do ECDL. I have no expectation of finding work in the future and might just do something at College i enjoy to fill my days and give me a challenge.

    Ranald

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