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    Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    I am looking at going to Florida on holiday next year, I love it over there and I have been 4 times over the years. However I have not been in over 7 years and a lot has changed for me and my parents in that time. I want us to go as a family as we have done every other time, but I now use a ventilator 14 hours a day, and my parents health has deteirorated since the last time (my mum is a manifesting carrier of DMD, and 3 months ago she was diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes, and my dad has a pacemaker). So because of all this, all the travel insurance companies who are willing to give us a quote for all of these pre-existing medical conditions are quoting us at £2000 MINIMUM – that is incredibly expensive is it not? Does anyone know of any travel insurance companies that quote more reasonable prices for a person with DMD who uses a ventilator? It is hard finding travel insurance companies who will even give me a quote because I mention I have DMD.

    I was also hoping you guys and girls would be able to give me advice on other matters too. The last time I went to Florida I found the flight very uncomfortable, I ended up with really bad pressure sores because of the plane seat. Does anyone know if you are allowed to use your wheelhair cushion to sit on during the flight? I didnt think you would be allowed to because of health and safety? I use a Jay cushion. However Virgin offer a seating option called the Burnett Body Support. Have any of you ever heard of this or used it, and if so, is it comfortable to sit on for 10 hours on a plane seat?

    The flight is the biggest barrier for me to overcome (as well as the price of insurance) because of course, if I cant fly I cant get to America! I would also need to use my ventilator during the flight which is another new issue for me, I have been told my ventilator would have to have enough battery power in it to last 150% of the expected flight duration even though I wouldnt need to use it for anymore than 4 or 5 hours. Also I would only have enough battery power to last for 12 hours (4 hours from the internal battery of my Nippy3+ plus 8 hours from my battery back up) which falls short of the 15 hours the airline states I must have.

    So as you can see I havy many issues to consider. Any help you can give me would be much appreciated :)

    RobertW1985
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    #82180
    Re: Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    Fish Insurance do travel insurance specifically for peeps with pre existing conditions, link below

    Fish Insurance

    Vicki
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    #82181
    Re: Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    That does sound like a challenging expedition. I have flown to the USA many times, when going to New Orleans we have to connect flights and those few hours between are so nice for stretching from the uncomfortable plane seat, I remember my flights to Miami and Houston being so paining with out that break.

    I imagine trying to do a short flight, stay somewhere overnight to rest body and recharge nippy, then fly to Florida and the same by return will make it all too costly.

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    #82182
    Re: Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    Hi, last time I flew was back in the 90’s where I took my own gel cushion after passing it easily through the scanners for security – I’ve taken J seating ok. I imagine your vent and insurance will be the most tricky? I saw yesterday the MDC in the US has a few articles on travelling with a vent. If you need 150% can you get two short flights – i.e. to NY or Atlanta or somewhere and do it that way? Would they realise you might not ‘charge up’ between connections and let you get away with it?!!

    I think their have been issues with some US flights not letting users on with vents so an internal flight might have worse rules than the ones Virgin or whoever have approached. Or, can you take two external batteries – will the hospital loan an extra one. I know there is a web article from the Royal Brompton boasting they helped a vent user go on holiday back packing or something? I think hospitals should have a loan scheme – we tried to get an inverter to go in the car as I had no battery – but it never materialised in time for our holiday and we had to buy one privately.

    Look forward to hearing what you find out – will be useful for people I’m sure. :-)

    criptic
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    #82183
    Re: Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    I’ve flown back and forth to the US a few times myself. Virgin Atlantic although one of the more expensive airlines have a “Burnet Body Support” for passengers like us (high risk of pressure sores and limited movement). It’s basically filled with tiny beans that are more the size of beads and has a full seat, back and arm coverage. Only downside is if you’re in economy like I was this support system takes up inches on either side of your already narrow seat! So I was a bit squished. I then flew with British Airlines who told me I could take my own cushion and use it on the plane as long as the seat belt still fit around me (if I had trouble they also have an extender one that they use for when babies are flying so they can still sit on their parents laps during take off and landing). I bought a “wonder” cushion specifically for the flight to prevent the need of a MILLION flight pillows to prop myself up with as you know flight pillows are a quarter of the size of your standard decorative couch cushion i.e TINY! I’d recommend getting one of those travel neck pillows too as that was one of things I regretted not buying for the flight. My neck got so sore from being in the one position and would start to flop with fatigue. There’s my “2 cents” ;)

    ambitiousturtle24
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    #82184
    Re: Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    Thanks everyone for the very informative replies, its really helpful to hear about everyone’s different experiences. Im afraid it looks like just under £2000 is the cheapest quote I can find, from a company called Free Spirit, has anyone ever heard of or used them? Virgin do seem to be the most supportive airline if their website is anything to go by, they offer a few different seating options and they have a very detailed page about “respiratory assistive devices” as they call it.

    @ambitiousturtle24 wrote:

    I’ve flown back and forth to the US a few times myself. Virgin Atlantic although one of the more expensive airlines have a “Burnet Body Support” for passengers like us (high risk of pressure sores and limited movement). It’s basically filled with tiny beans that are more the size of beads and has a full seat, back and arm coverage. Only downside is if you’re in economy like I was this support system takes up inches on either side of your already narrow seat! So I was a bit squished. I then flew with British Airlines who told me I could take my own cushion and use it on the plane as long as the seat belt still fit around me (if I had trouble they also have an extender one that they use for when babies are flying so they can still sit on their parents laps during take off and landing). I bought a “wonder” cushion specifically for the flight to prevent the need of a MILLION flight pillows to prop myself up with as you know flight pillows are a quarter of the size of your standard decorative couch cushion i.e TINY! I’d recommend getting one of those travel neck pillows too as that was one of things I regretted not buying for the flight. My neck got so sore from being in the one position and would start to flop with fatigue. There’s my “2 cents” ;)

    Thats really good to know about the Burnett Body Support AT24. Sorry if this is a bit personal but are you big built or small? Its just because if you are small but still felt squished with the body support, then theres no way that I would fit into it! Im not huge but Im not small either. When you sat on your wheelchair cushion on the plane did you not feel really high up? And did this not make the armrests feel really low? My Jay cushion is pretty thick.

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    #82185
    Re: Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    @robertw1985 wrote:

    When you sat on your wheelchair cushion on the plane did you not feel really high up? And did this not make the armrests feel really low? My Jay cushion is pretty thick.

    That is a valid point. I have sat on my bog standard nhs wheelchair cushion in a plane seat and noticed those subtle differences, the arm rest height and the table height.

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    #82186
    Re: Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    Hi Robert. I know, it can be frustrating dealing with the insurance companies. I hope they one day become reformed in regards to pre-existing conditions. My son and I have gone on tons of road trip vacations in our accessible vans and always had to pay a premium for insurance. I have just had to deal with the high price. I have not been able to find low prices in regards to this.

    karen
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    #82187
    Re: Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    @robertw1985 wrote:

    Thats really good to know about the Burnett Body Support AT24. Sorry if this is a bit personal but are you big built or small? Its just because if you are small but still felt squished with the body support, then theres no way that I would fit into it! Im not huge but Im not small either. When you sat on your wheelchair cushion on the plane did you not feel really high up? And did this not make the armrests feel really low? My Jay cushion is pretty thick.

    lol nah it’s fine I don’t mind answering. I’m 5ft 3 and weigh a tiny 6 1/2 st. The “squish” factor was the only issue with the Burnet Body Support but it was otherwise very comfortable. When I used my regular wc cushion on BA you’re right in assuming it did raise me up a bit and therefore the armrests were a tad low. But the standard economy armrests are very hard anyway so if you just ask the flight attendant for two of their teeny flight pillows and put one on each arm rest it should give you enough height to rest your arms comfortably. How are you with your feet dangling? I’m not sure how tall you are but if you’re short like me my feet never touch the floor on the plane so therefore I ask the flight attendant for something/anything to prop my feet on cos dangling for long periods of time kills my thighs! Make sure you have your relatives/carer move your legs every so often not only for comfort but to prevent any clotting on the plane. I once tried to get flight socks on as the Special Needs Desk advised that when they booked us. Could not for the life of me get them on. So incredibly tight. They would of cut off my blood never mind being on a long haul flight :lol:

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    #82188
    Re: Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    Thanks to everyone on here for their helpful replies, but it looks like my return to Florida wont be happening, but ironically taking my ventilator on board isn’t a stumbling block – instead, its my bloody cushion! As I said previously my cushion is a Jay cushion which means it is gel filled, and I have found out from Virgin Airlines that because of various terrorist attacks, in 2006 a rule was brought in prohibiting people from taking anything gel filled on board an aircraft. Basically my cushion will not be allowed through security for this reason. But not only does this mean I cant sit on my wheelchair cushion during the flight, this means I cant have my wheelchair in the hold because I cant use my wheelchair without my Jay cushion. Im so disappointed about this, the last time I went in 2004 there was no problems with having my wheelchair and cushion stored in the hold, but so much has changed with security since then. My problem is there is no way I could sit on another type of cushion for 2 weeks, I have tried many different cushions in the last few years but I keep having to return to my gel filled cushion because the others have been far too uncomfortable for me.

    So this appears to be the final nail in the coffin not just for me returning to Florida, but for going abroad anywhere. I cant go somewhere without my cushion, therefore I cant go on a plane, and I wouldn’t want to travel in a boat. What are everyone’s thoughts on this? What cushions have you all used, and has anyone ever been refused through security because of their cushion? I know Im now clutching at straws, but any suggestions would still be much appreciated. Thanks!

    RobertW1985
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    #82189
    Re: Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    I am so disappoited for you :( that is such a shame …. I’d love to take a gel cushion and refill it with somthing uncomfy and make a terro sit on it for two weeks or more :evil: another case of how the stupidity of a few has devastating consequences for innocent others.

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    #82190
    Re: Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    Robert, that’s such a shame. It doesn’t seem right that you are being prevented from travelling abroad. Where is the common sense in this decision. Have you got all the backing possible from your doctors? Do you think it is worth pushing Virgin a but more or will they just not budge?

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    #82191
    Re: Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    Well that’s ridiculous!

    I would push it further if it was me. Lots of things are gel filled these days I’d write to Branson see what he says.

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    #82194
    Re: Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    Thanks for the replies, yeah my neurologist and respiritory doctor both agree that I am still fit enough to be able to fly. Im not sure if I can push Virgin any further because its not the airlines who made this rule, its airport security so I don’t know if its the government who brought in this rule? Or the Civil Aviation Authority? Somebody in Thomas Cook suggested I contact Glasgow Airport to check and also the Brittish Embassy in London and see what they say.

    Is it possible to contact Richard Branson directly? I thought he would be far too busy to deal with emails and phone calls from an ordinary pleb like me lol. Do you have a contact for him? What do you folks think? Is it worth me trying to take it further?

    RobertW1985
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    #82192
    Re: Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    Try the following address

    C/o Virgin Management Ltd, 120 Camden Hill Rd, London, W87AR, UK.

    You may get an answer but you might not, you’ve got nothing to lose by giving it ago. I would also contact the airport and civil aviation authroity just to check info you where given is correct. Who did tell you that you couldn’t take a gel cushion?

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    #82193
    Re: Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    It’s all a bit perplexing isn’t it? I have just read that cooling gel packs are allowed but must have permission from airline http://m.direct.gov.uk/syndicationController?action=view&st=0&utn=99444706d071433c849e201201251641¶m=DG_176922

    Just realised the above link won’t work as it is a mobile specific site but it can be found on the direct.gov site under “Air Travel Hand Luggage Rules”

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    #82195
    Re: Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    here’s the link Sarah mentioned above

    Dangerous and restricted items

    Vicki
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    #82196
    Re: Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    Ta Vicki, couldn’t access laptop.

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    #82197
    Re: Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    Thanks Vicki and Sarah for the info. I will definitely write a letter to Virgin marked for the attention of Richard Branson, see what happens. I’ll tell them how dissapointed I am to hear about this ruling and how it cannot be right that I cant take with me a vital aid which helps prevent me from getting severe pressure sores. Surely exceptions can be made to give disabled people the same rights to a holiday as our able-bodied peers?

    P.S. Vicki, it was the Virgin Special Assistance people who told me that my gel cushion will not pass through security.

    RobertW1985
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    #82198
    Re: Holiday to America with DMD and a ventilator

    Well it looks like my return to Florida may be back on after all! Last week I got a letter back from Virgin saying that because Richard Branson is so busy he is unable to respond personally to all of his correspondence, and so someone from the Virgin Special Assistance team would be in touch. So a few days later I recieved an email from them saying that someone would phone me to discuss my issues because they feel that I may have been misinformed about this. So yesterday afternoon I got a phone call from someone called Sue at Virgin Special Assistance and she was extremely helpful. She said that there would be no problem with my gel cushion passing through security and that I can sit on my cushion on the plane as long as the seatbelt still fastens properly and the armrests can still come down fully. She says she doesnt understand why I was told differently before, she says they are well used to allowing disabled people to use gel cushions, ventilators etc. on board because they are the airline who provides the flights for the charity Dreamflight every year, so I dont need to worry about it. She also reassured me about my ventilator which was my other concern. My Nippy 3 is one of the ventilators already on their list of approved ventilators for using on board their aircraft, so there will be no problems with me using it. So I was very relieved to hear this.

    I also contacted Glasgow Airport to see what they said and they also said that “your gel cushion is allowed through our security search area , but will be swabbed by our team , this is normal process. Our Security Team Manager on the day will be updated of your arrival and be expecting you , this is not a problem. I am not aware of any specific Virgin airline restrictions for such an item , however I have made enquiries and if Virgin have the cushion listed as prohibited I will let you know – this is unlikely”. Does anyone know what they mean exactly when they say my cushion will be “swabbed”? That makes it sound as if they want a sample of the gel which couldnt be done without taking my cushion apart! Hopefully its just a poor choice of word!

    So the only hurdle left for me now is I have to go to the Respiratory Lab at the hospital for a “Fitness to Fly” assessment. I am intrigued as to what this will involve, I think they will put me into room with similar air conditions to what I will experience during the flight and see how I cope with it. It all hinges on the outcome of this test then, as to whether or not I will be going abroad. Keep your fingers crossed for me :-)

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