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ESA Support Group – Permitted Work
Would any of you happen to know for fact, whether a Support Group claimant can earn £99.50 per week indefinitely? I have not found anything on the official site, but have found this from Disability Rights:-
Permitted work for those on employment and support allowance, incapacity benefit, severe disablement allowance or national insurance credits
You have a choice of permitted work options depending on your circumstances:
Permitted Work Lower Limit – under this option you can earn up to £20 a week for an unlimited period.
Permitted Work Higher Limit – under this option you can earn up to £99.50 after tax and national insurance deductions if the work is for less than 16 hours a week. The Permitted Work Higher Limit is based on the current adult national minimum wage for a job of 16 hours a week, rounded up to the nearest 50p above. The national minimum wage normally goes up every year on 1 October and the Permitted Work Higher Limit goes up in line with it. You can work for up to 16 hours a week and earn up to £99.50 after deductions: http://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/f35.htmfor a 52 week period. Once a period starts even weeks when you do no work count towards the 52 week limit. After you have done 52 weeks work there must be a gap of at least 52 weeks before you can earn the Higher Limit again, whereupon another 52 weeks work is permitted.
for an unlimited period if you are on ESA and you have limited capability for work-related activity (that is, you are in the support group).
for an unlimited period if you are exempt from the IB/IS personal capability assessment. (If you receive income support, your earnings over £20 a week will count as income).
I have my Asda interview tomorrow and if i am successful, i will have to weigh up the pros and cons of accepting the job. It’s a perverse choice in my opinion, it should certainly pay to take a job. (Really pay that is, not the flannel Ian and Duncan Smith come out with).
Re: ESA Support Group – Permitted WorkI have been up all night researching Asda, what an exciting life i lead eh?
It was my intention to attend the “Asda Magic” group interview this afternoon, it would be no trouble to sell an imaginary product, build a tower from straws and balloons, or sing the company song. (including the bum smacking bit) That’s pretty much what one expects from an American owned retail giant.
Apparently the group session and associated “hands-on” takes three hours! If you make a good impression here you are invited back for a one-to-one interview with a manager. I thought this was an entry level job, not applying to head up NASA!
The real problem is my weak physical condition. I know that these types of job require the employee to go nineteen to the dozen all shift, they also expect you to cover all stations, you can’t just wimp out because you are disabled! Add in the fact that only management can become full-time workers, you just know you will be scrambling around for precious overtime along with every other poor sod! I had a enough of that in my youth. (sitting by the phone, ready to jump into my uniform. Also only pro-rata holiday pay)
I think i have already recounted my collapsing in the doorway of my local Tesco a couple of weeks ago, i have been fooling myself and most probably swallowing the “workshy scrounger” and Blinds still closed whilst the “strivers” go out to work bollocks from HMG and Daily Wail. I am in the ESA Support Group, i shouldn’t still be doubting my right to benefit, not after three years.
Of course there are certain jobs any of us could do, there are some intelligent people on Talk MD. But that doesn’t mean we should sacrifice our weakened bodies to appease certain reactionary sections of society. If the powers that be want me to earn my keep, they can damned well support me into a suitable job!
I am preaching to the converted here i know, the truth is i’m typing this diatribe to convince myself, also to nurse my wounded pride. Like all of you, i only want to pull my weight and contribute to society again, but there comes a time when reality must be faced. I hope i don’t have to punish myself like this again. (i have history)
Off to get some breakfast now, i think i have put myself through enough for one night. (wish i hadn’t shaved off my beard for the bloody interview i’m not going to)
Re: ESA Support Group – Permitted WorkGood luck *fingerscrossed*
I have no clue as to the in’s and out’s of ‘permitted work’, all I was told was, if you get one ast-track it to IB becsuse only they know!
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Re: ESA Support Group – Permitted Workmorning ranauld. i feel your pain and know exactly were your coming from. when i left school i became a labourer on building sites but got laid off. so i went to college and learned french polishing but after a few years the bottom fell out of that industry. so after being sat kicking my heels on the dole and bored shitless, i got the dole to put me on a back to work course with the council. this job was working at the council recycle plant, picking through rubbish for my dole money plus £10.00 a week in food vouchers.
. after doing this job for 12mnth. i was informed by the gaffer that there was no way they would give me a job and to get my butt to the dole and claim sick. so like you, not wanting the label of scrounger. i went to uni to learn environmental science to eventually get a office job. however the day i recieved my qualifications. i had my first major tia, ended up in hospital for months being prodded and poked, to eventually be told “your never going to work again”.
now when i here the old “all disabled people are scroungers”, i remind myself that less than 6% of this country are disabled and of this 6%, roughly 4.5% are on benifits.stefan
Re: ESA Support Group – Permitted WorkThat was a very thoughtful reply littlestef, thanks for the insight. I guess we all have our little wobbles now and again, i feel alot more settled today.
This afternoon i re-applied for my old job as a bus driver with National Express. This is my last throw of the dice, if this one draws a blank, no matter. At least i shall have exorcised the ghosts for another wee while. (it would be nice to think i might actually pull myself together for good)
I didn’t even bother turning up for my “Asda Magic” group interview this afternoon. Making a complete arse of myself for three hours isn’t what i need right now, quite why they need to humiliate prospective employees like that i can’t imagine. Whatever happened to the traditional face to face meeting with a manager?
Re: ESA Support Group – Permitted Work@amgmod wrote:
Good luck *fingerscrossed*
I have no clue as to the in’s and out’s of ‘permitted work’, all I was told was, if you get one ast-track it to IB becsuse only they know!
I have conducted a thorough online search, and i am pretty sure Support Group can earn £99.50 pw indefinitely. Apparently this is very rare, most people in the Support Group have enough to cope with just getting through the day. Why should anyone “flag” their claim and draw the gaze of the DWP Stasi. For what, some misplaced sense of guilt?
When Universal Credit comes in, there will be no Permitted Work. (no severe disability premium now that i think about it) That’ll be another matter. We shall all cross that bridge in due course.
Ranald
Re: ESA Support Group – Permitted Worki know what you mean. im waiting for the fun and games to begin with my new dla claim next year.
. i ve got a sneaking feeling that although atos say im disabled enough for the support group. will they still say im disabled enough for dla. however, if they say im not enough for dla but are support group worthy. is this going to be a way that they can use to coin money back for government but still say they are treating the dissabled community fairly :?:stefan
Re: ESA Support Group – Permitted WorkIf you are in the Support Group, common sense should dictate you have your DLA indefinitely. We both know however, that common sense has nothing at all to do with this!
I myself am dreading the introduction of Universal Credit. I am already resigned to not qualifying for PIP, not even the lower rate. That’s all very well, but do you know that Universal Credit won’t have the Severe Disability Component?
We’re doomed!
Re: ESA Support Group – Permitted Workim still not sure i understand this universal credit lark. i also assumed that when i did the asa50 form and shoved in the support group, that this was for PIP. am i wrong in my assumptions?
stefan
Re: ESA Support Group – Permitted WorkI’m afraid you are quite wrong littlestef, i know quite a few benefit claimants, (four neighbours for one thing) none of them seem to have a clue about what’s on the horizon.
One neighbour is a good friend of mine, he has however chosen to adopt the ostrich strategy. He doesn’t want to know, sort of a “Que Sara” attitude.
Personal Independence Payment will replace Disability Living Allowance, i’m sure you are aware of that. Here is a link to the PIP descriptors. http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system We will be “invited” to apply for PIP between October 2013 and March 2016. (there are rumours these dates are over optimistic) In April 2013, there will be a PIP pilot for new claims in Merseyside, North West England, Cumbria, Cheshire and North East England. All new claims are supposedly to be taken from June 2013.
Re: ESA Support Group – Permitted Workok. another dumb question. this is were im getting confused. i have my dla paid into a post office account, as the post office is a short taxi ride away. my bank is roughly 7 mile away but i have my other benifits paid into this for my bills. what im wanting to know is. when this universal credit comes in, would i be able to keep things the same or will everything be combined into one benifit and only paid into one account. :?:
stefan
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