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July 25, 2016 at 1:49 pm #135404Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophy
A few families got in touch who couldn’t make today’s discussion, but who wanted more information on the DMD screening test, as they had heard there had been difficulties with its reliability.
It has been shown to produce a high number of false negatives – so families are informed their child doesn’t have the condition, only to receive a diagnosis some years later.
Annie, I know PPMD are involved in work in the United States and with Dr Stuart Moat to hopefully improve upon the testing protocol. I wondered if you could update the group on some of this work?
And Francesco, Jeanette and Chris – I wondered if you had anything you would like to add on testing procedures and how these could be improved?
Muscular Dystrophy UK staff member
July 25, 2016 at 1:51 pm #135405Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophyI also apologise for the mispelling, I am not reading the messages again and also doing my eamils.
Professor Francesco Muntoni, Director, Dubowitz Neuromuscular Centre, Great Ormond Street Hospital
July 25, 2016 at 1:52 pm #135406Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophyWe have to consider what is meant by care post-diagnosis.
The immediate care, say for 1-2 weeks after the heel prick positive (genetic test, telling us the result, genetic counselling) was pretty hopeless.
We were lucky that we had an extremely good, proactive social worker who understood that we needed to put together a network of people who could help Alex across the spectrum of needs. Clinical needs are one aspect of the problem, there are lots of others that affect the boys and parents also. So one of the key challenges for us was to shift from short-term to longer-term thinking. The network of health professionals all played a role in this.I hear from lots of families who just feel ‘dumped’ post-diagnosis and I can understand that the diagnosis turns the world on its head and the last thing you may be thinking of is where can your son go to school etc. etc. Many families are in denial for a substantial time.
After the initial trauma we took a few weeks to assess what we needed to do next.
July 25, 2016 at 1:55 pm #135407Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophyWe can’t really comment on the reliability of the test.
For our personal perspective, a false positive is better than an undeclared ‘negative’. I can appreciate the huge impact of thinking that your son had DMD when if fact he doesn’t. An emotional and legal minefield.
July 25, 2016 at 1:57 pm #135408Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophyWhen we did the All Party Parliamentary Group for Muscular Dystrophy report on newborn screening, we heard from lots of families like Jeanette and Chris in Wales who felt that early diagnosis was a positive for them. However, we did hear from others who said they would have they would have preferred to find out when their child was older, and that the early diagnosis caused their family problems – for example, difficulties in mother/baby bonding.
To everyone taking part – do you think there could be potential disadvantages associated with neo-natal screening? For example, especially if the diagnosis if mishandled or support isn’t available to the family.
Muscular Dystrophy UK staff member
July 25, 2016 at 1:59 pm #135409Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophyI am aware that in their recent manuscript the colleagues from Wales reported a number of cases not originally picked up by the newborn screening (CK testing) who were later confirmed to have DMD as they presented in the “usual” way. The reason for this is not very clear as other national screening programmes have not reported this, although they have not been as long running as the Welsh one (I know this is now on hold). I do not have specific insight on thw false negative occurrences
Professor Francesco Muntoni, Director, Dubowitz Neuromuscular Centre, Great Ormond Street Hospital
July 25, 2016 at 2:01 pm #135410Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophyClearly the technical aspect of the newborn screening cannot run disjointed from a global support to the family, from psychological, to social, to medical. Unless this is done comprehensively, the diagnosis will not be welcomed by many families as they have not been given sufficient support to cope with an immense and unexpected bad news
Professor Francesco Muntoni, Director, Dubowitz Neuromuscular Centre, Great Ormond Street Hospital
July 25, 2016 at 2:02 pm #135411Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophyI know of instances that the bonding of mother to baby was destroyed by the diagnosis, or that there was a refusal to accept that their son was affected (a difficulty of an outwardly entirely normal baby boy). Some of the difficulty comes from not being able to do anything ‘clinical’ at the point of diagnosis. I can appreciate the problems raised by the diagnosis of “here’s the DMD positive result, now just enjoy his childhood because this is an incurable life-shortening disease”.
We looked at things in a very different way. We got the diagnosis, mourned for the life our son wouldn’t have and then chose to celebrate the (different) life that he could / can have.
July 25, 2016 at 2:06 pm #135413Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophyMany thanks for your insight. The early mourning is what certainly several families resent, and the way you have been able to move on is a positive experience for other families. An important but different mourning is the one that many (most) families have to endure when they know their child has a problem but it takes years for the “professionals” to agree with them. The mean age at which mum feel their child has “something” is ~ 2 years. The mean age at diagnosis in 2015 was 4 years 4 months in UK. So more than 2 years trying to have a diagnosis is something that many families really and understanbly resent
Professor Francesco Muntoni, Director, Dubowitz Neuromuscular Centre, Great Ormond Street Hospital
July 25, 2016 at 2:08 pm #135414Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophyYes, I fully agree. For those parents we know of where there was no newborn diagnosis, the period of their lives where they are “not believed” is one of the most difficult.
July 25, 2016 at 2:13 pm #135416Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophyI’ve just spoken with Rachel Salmon – apologies, as the site has experienced some technical difficulties and Rachel wasn’t able to login.
However, she did ask me to share a few points in relation to NBS for DMD:
– screening can play an important role in family planning. The team in Cardiff – as well as MDUK – are aware of families who have gone on to have multiple affected children before becoming aware of the DMD diagnosis
– the first point of contact with families can often be at a community level when a diagnosis is done, which can lead to difficulties if the healthcare professionals are inexperienced with DMD. The diagnosis should be with the specialist team, and can involve home visits (which the team at Cardiff does frequently)
– there is a strong argument in helping to deliver best standards of care. Diagnostic delay is still common in Duchenne, so patients are presenting to specialist teams at a much later stage of deterioration and health.Rachel has also published research with some of the team at Cardiff on NBS which you can access online.
Muscular Dystrophy UK staff member
July 25, 2016 at 2:16 pm #135417Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophyThe second point from Rachel, about the lack of preparedness (e.g. face-to-face diagnosis with the community paediatrician) is absolutely right. A specialist team, at the point of breaking the news (and beyond) is essential.
Rachel is passionate about this, and all we can say is that her passion translates into a better service for our son.July 25, 2016 at 2:16 pm #135418Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophyI think we’ll wrap things up here if we’re okay with that.
Just before we close – Francesco, Jenatte and Chris, are there any final key points that you feel should be shared with the National Screening Committee in considering screening for DMD?
Muscular Dystrophy UK staff member
July 25, 2016 at 2:18 pm #135419Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophyI fully agree the points above by Rachel, and these are the arguments we originally made in the first application for consideration of the newborn screening programme for DMD.
My original point is that while these are all valid points, they are very similar for the many other thousands of genetic diseases (I am repeating the argument that the evaluating committee will have) that can be now diagnosed genetically or in other way early. So unless there is an early different treatment (and here ataluren is a possibility) the bar for considering DMD will not be met. So efforts to identify and describe disease specific early approaches is going to be essentialProfessor Francesco Muntoni, Director, Dubowitz Neuromuscular Centre, Great Ormond Street Hospital
July 25, 2016 at 2:18 pm #135420Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophyBut mothers and fathers are able to form bonds with babies who have very obvious disabilities that are immediately visible – is there anything that could be learned from the way in which these families are treated and counselled, or is it pretty much the same?
July 25, 2016 at 2:19 pm #135421Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophysee my point on experimental therapies
Professor Francesco Muntoni, Director, Dubowitz Neuromuscular Centre, Great Ormond Street Hospital
July 25, 2016 at 2:20 pm #135423Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophyTo echo those statements from Francesco, newborn screening gave us the chance of starting Alex’ steroid regime as early as possible. Aware of some of the negativity around newborn screening, it has to be a positive if you can give the boys a chance before its too late for any useful clinical intervention.
July 25, 2016 at 2:21 pm #135424Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophyPenny- you are right- I would hope we could learn from others.
July 25, 2016 at 2:26 pm #135425Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophyBut mothers and fathers are able to form bonds with babies who have very obvious disabilities that are immediately visible – is there anything that could be learned from the way in which these families are treated and counselled, or is it pretty much the same?
Thanks Penny – we agree that there are ways we could learn from the support pathways used with other conditions.
Muscular Dystrophy UK staff member
July 25, 2016 at 2:27 pm #135426Reply To: Newborn screening for Duchenne muscular dystrophyThanks everyone for taking part. Next step on this is a response to the National Screening Committee, where we will include the points and discussion today, as we all work to take forward screening on DMD.
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