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  • #138808
    Chronic Illness Re Assessment

    Just heaard on the news that the COnservatives will announce at their conference that folk with a chronic illness will not need to be re assessed for their benefits. Does this mean us?

    Watch this space! Or better still watch the news.

    Mike

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    embayweather embayweather
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    #138809
    Reply To: Chronic Illness Re Assessment

    Very, very interesting indeed.

    It just says progressive illnesses in some reports but
    elsewhere says “up to 100,000 people”. There are
    way more than that number suffering from
    progressive diseases, autism etc…

    Could be just a headline grabber to shed the “nasty
    party” image by just removing a token number of
    severely affected groups.

    "Even if you are not paranoid, it does not mean they are not out to get you!".

    taungfox
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    #138830
    Reply To: Chronic Illness Re Assessment

    The news reports said “tens of thousands of people”!

    There this will restricted to set criteria of their own devising.

    It will not be just all progressive conditions such as MD. Were we
    not told there are 70,000 MD sufferers .

    Will be interesting.

    Cynics are saying this is not done from motives of kindness and
    charity but is a direct result of the mounting numbers of
    people appealing their ESA decisions and the quoted 65 % success rate
    of those appeals.

    "Even if you are not paranoid, it does not mean they are not out to get you!".

    taungfox
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    #138857
    Reply To: Chronic Illness Re Assessment

    I do think that is an appalling thought. After all our government want the best for us, and want to make our life easier dont they?? (LOL)
    I agree, it is likely to be to reduce workload on the amateurs they have working to reduce numbers at the momemnt. A friend of mine with a very long term 9decades) illness applied for UC on August 01st as they had moved address becuase of a murder attempt. She still has not got it sorted and now has no money for heating or food. The system is in chaos and the government have to do something to reduce it, and of course the costs.

    Mike

    So many love songs, so little love.

    embayweather embayweather
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    #139041
    Reply To: Chronic Illness Re Assessment

    Hopefully we’ll be included in their stupid list

    http://oldsite.musculardystrophyuk.org/news/news/no-more-esa-retests-for-progressive-conditions/

    weeble
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    #139219
    Reply To: Chronic Illness Re Assessment

    Mr Green made his speech at the Conference.

    He repeated the soundbites that that got him all the good headlines
    then steadfastly did not in any way explain any details at all.

    No details of which conditions or which groups will not be
    retested. No mention of how it will be worked out or who
    The health professionals that do it will be.

    Just that it definitely will not be applied to PIP.

    Various articles have said this will benefit “thousands” or
    “tens of thousands”. Therefore highly unlikely that there
    Will be a blanket exclusion for MD with 70,000 sufferers alone.

    "Even if you are not paranoid, it does not mean they are not out to get you!".

    taungfox
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    #139509
    Reply To: Chronic Illness Re Assessment

    This is from benefits&works page:

    The announcement that some claimants will be spared repeat work capability assessments for employment and support allowance (ESA) has been the big news of the last fortnight.

    Below we’ve set out what we know so far.

    There’s also news of an updated version of one of our ESA guides and a request for someone who is just beginning the personal independence payment (PIP) or ESA assessment process to share their story with Radio 4 – which we’ve now had to remove because of the deluge of responses the programme received in just a few hours..

    Plus, the unsurprising revelation that the introduction of PIP and changes to ESA have failed to produce anything like the savings the DWP predicted

    WILL REASSESSMENT EXEMPTIONS APPLY TO PIP?
    No.

    Exemptions will only apply to ESA and universal credit (UC). It won’t affect PIP awards in any way.

    WILL EXEMPTIONS APPLY TO WRAG CLAIMANTS?
    No.

    Exemptions will only be for some claimants in the ESA support group or UC equivalent.

    Damian Green’s statement on 10 October was absolutely clear that only claimants “who have already been placed in the ESA Support Group or UC Limited Capability for Work and Work Related Activity categories following a WCA” will be considered for exemption from reassessment.

    WILL CERTAIN CONDITIONS BE AUTOMATICALLY EXEMPT?
    It’s possible that certain conditions will automatically entitle claimants to be exempt from reassessment. But Green argued when he made his original announcement on 1 October that:

    “It’s the severity of the condition that matters, because indeed there are some people with MS that can work, but we know that it’s a degenerative disease so there will come a point when it may well be that they can’t work.”

    On 10 October Green added that only claimants “who have the most severe health conditions and disabilities” would be eligible. He defined this as claimants with:

    severe,
    lifelong,
    often progressive and incurable conditions,
    with minimally fluctuating care needs,
    who are unlikely to ever be able to move closer to the labour market and into work.
    So, the likelihood is that there will be a list of conditions which may allow claimants to be exempt from reassessment. But it will still be for a Maximus health professional to assess the severity of the condition and for the DWP to make the final decision.

    This may require say a physiotherapist to decide how severe a claimant’s autism, Huntington’s disease or congenital heart condition is. (These are all conditions that have been suggested as possible grounds for exemption).

    It will then be for an entirely non-medically qualified DWP staff member to decide if the health professional got it right.

    It’s a system that’s guaranteed to produce some very poor decisions, in keeping with the rest of the WCA.

    HOW WILL THEY DECIDE WHAT THE CRITERIA FOR EXEMPTION ARE GOING TO BE?
    It’ll be the usual . . . the DWP will consult and then do what they want anyway.

    Green has said that:

    “Over the coming months we will work with key stakeholders, including disabled people, disability charities, our health assessment provider, the Centre for Health and Disability Assessments, medical professionals and others to develop a set of criteria, set out in guidance, to switch off reassessments for those that are eligible.”

    DOESN’T THIS ALL SOUND STRANGELY FAMILIAR?
    Yes, if you’ve ever claimed incapacity benefit (IB), then it probably does sound familiar. Under IB, some claimants were exempt from being assessed at all, let alone reassessed.

    Exemptions included:

    people in receipt of disability living allowance (DLA) care component at the highest rate;
    people who were registered blind;
    people with severe learning difficulties;
    people with a severe mental illness.
    We’ve reproduced all the old exemptions in an article in the latest news section.
    WHEN WILL THE NEW SYSTEM BEGIN?
    Definitely not this year.

    Green says:

    “The IT changes needed are expected to be completed by the end of 2017. In the meantime, we will be working to ensure these people are not reassessed unnecessarily.”

    So it sounds like they will begin trying to exempt some claimants once they have decided what the criteria will be. But the system won’t start properly before late next year.

    And if the DWP’s past record on IT projects is anything to go by, it could be an awful lot longer than that.

    We’ll keep you posted.

    weeble
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    #140604
    Reply To: Chronic Illness Re Assessment

    Update although not much clearer http://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/2016/october/government-gives-more-information-about-esa-retesting

    I, Disabled Bloke
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    #141968
    Reply To: Chronic Illness Re Assessment

    What a joke, further blaming it on IT delatys as well rather than the truth of still carrying on with assessment to ‘save’ more money. Still they got their headlines thats all that counts

    Mike

    So many love songs, so little love.

    embayweather embayweather
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    #143926
    Reply To: Chronic Illness Re Assessment

    Don’t hold your breath. This Green fella has just declared that working is good for you & is tabling the idea of forcing people in the support group to meet with work coaches with a view to doing some work http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/3568-government-plans-to-make-many-esa-support-group-claimants-undertake-work-related-activities.

    People in the support group, people that have already been declared as having significant barriers in being able to work or found not to be capable of work to any degree.

    The Conservatives want to say that all the figures used by the UN are out of date. This is a false argument. The tories wish to misrepresent the facts time & time again to suit their own callous & manipulative agenda & the daily heil is utterly complicit in these unsubstantiated, vitriolic attacks on the disabled.

    The figures are those that were available at the time the UN was collecting information for its inquiry. I believe the cut-off date for submission of information was the end of October 2015

    The Tories have sold their wretched welfare reforms hook, line and sinker by pumping out filthy and highly inaccurate propaganda & this grotesque piece http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3909276/Controversial-task-force-slams-Britain-s-welfare-cuts-says-disabled-people-unfairly-bearing-brunt.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 comes on the back of an open attack by the right wing press lead by the heil on our judicial system towards the end of last week.

    The only ‘controversy’ with regard the UN is that they can’t kick this effing government up the a**e & force them to do the just & right thing.

    Welfare reform is a sham. Benefits cuts masquerade as reform, attacking the least able in society suitably equipped to defend themselves. They don’t want to support us, we’re a blight on the tory landscape & an expense they are determined to strike out of the books.

    I AM LIVID!!!

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    #143929
    Reply To: Chronic Illness Re Assessment

    Well now I’m just even more angry.

    Please correct me if I’m wrong but, is this proof the MD Campaign supports these proposals? http://oldsite.musculardystrophyuk.org/news/news/government-announces-plans-to-tackle-disability-employment-gap/

    If that is the case I won’t be posting here anymore, not if they’re supporting the tories in hounding people in the support group.

    The yawning chasm between this paper’s (and the tories in general’) rhetoric & the reality of what the tories has done & is doing to disabled people is perhaps its most striking characteristic. The Emperor really does not have any clothes.

    In fact, given recent government policy towards disabled people, it seems surprising that the disability employment gap isn’t even bigger. With the abolition of the Independent Living Fund, cuts to Access to Work & hundreds of people a week losing their vehicles/mobility help after a PIP assessment, it seems a distinct possibility that, far from being reduced, that gap could grow.

    I need clarification on the campaign’s position because if it’s true & they are supporting the government in this, I’m off. I will not be part of this forum anymore. I am sorry but, I can’t be part of any body or organisation that conspires with the government against us.

    EDIT: Brother reckons I may have the wrong end of the stick & I need to calm down but, I still would appreciate a comment on the campaigns position please because clearly the DWP have stated their intention to hound people even in the support group & that is abhorrent.

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    #143975
    Reply To: Chronic Illness Re Assessment

    Hi everyone,

    I’m leading on MDUK’s response to the Green Paper, so I just wanted to clarify our position in light of the queries above.

    We have serious concerns about the reforms to the Work Capability Assessment, which will end the principle that those in the support group for ESA are not expected to look for work. There is a risk that individuals with severe conditions could therefore be required to take significant steps to look for work – which could leave them overburdened and actually be damaging to their health.

    Our experience of assessment providers on both PIP and ESA shows they have a poor track record in understanding muscle-wasting conditions, which has resulted in individuals being wrongly declared fit for work. Because the Government is now proposing two assessments rather than one, we could see an increase in this trend. People find assessments for disability benefit a stressful and often traumatic experience. Two assessments for one benefit seem likely to only add to this.

    That said, there are proposals in the Green Paper which we welcome, for example better, more targeted engagement with companies to encourage them to increase the employment of disabled people who are looking for work. Also the recent announcement that people claiming ESA with long term chronic conditions will not be subject to reassessments – although we’re still waiting for details on which conditions this is likely to include.

    At this stage, the Government is making proposals (rather than drawing up legislation) so there is a good chance to influence them. We’ll be working with MPs and Peers in Parliament, as well as providing our own response to the consultation which closes in mid-Feb.

    I hope that’s helpful in clarifying MDUK’s position – and keep an eye out on the website this week as we’ll be putting together a briefing paper on this and asking for supporter’s views.

    Thanks,

    Peter

    Senior Policy and Campaigns Officer, MDUK

    Muscular Dystrophy UK staff member

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    #143979
    Reply To: Chronic Illness Re Assessment

    Thank you sir for taking the time to address my concerns. I wouldn’t speak for other people on their behalf but, I am certain the clarification is welcome across the board.

    I now feel confident & assured that MD UK’s approach to this paper & it’s proposals is the correct one.

    In this fractured relationship between disabled people & employers, employers hold virtually all the cards, & have it in their power to make a huge difference to the situation. They have so far shown little inclination to do so, but are nevertheless courted & praised, through the government’s Disability Confident scheme. Meanwhile, the government piles pressure onto sick & disabled people for not striving harder to get jobs that just aren’t there.

    Before piling more pressure onto disabled people to get jobs, the government needs to a) ensure suitable jobs exist, & b) restore all the support it has removed that would make it possible for them to work, e.g. restore Motability cars, reverse the £4.6 billion social care cut.

    Maybe MD UK (I didn’t know the name had changed either until me brother pointed it out, sorry) could point out that gaping chasm in their flawed plan as well as oppose the very real threat of hounding people in the support group.

    :ty:

    I, Disabled Bloke
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    #144016
    Reply To: Chronic Illness Re Assessment

    Thanks for clarification.

    But the references to the support group are clear
    and are worrying. It changes the whole definition
    of the support group.

    Even the stopping of reassessing people with
    progressive conditions some cynics would
    say is only because the many appeals made it uneconomic for
    them.

    These new proposals many believe will just be another
    way for them to save money at the expense of vulnerable
    people. Even politicians now admit they say certain things
    for the public but have completely different intentions.

    "Even if you are not paranoid, it does not mean they are not out to get you!".

    taungfox
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    #144018
    Reply To: Chronic Illness Re Assessment

    When a tory government claim, they are going to “help” sick & disabled people into work, that usually signals further cuts to our lifeline of support & essential services are on the way & that the social security system is going to be ground down a little further.

    Work & pensions secretary Damian Green has said & I quote “In the long run there is nothing more expensive than saying to someone, ‘Here’s a benefit you can have for the rest of your life and we will ignore you,’”

    What he means, & what government believe is that work can cure what ails you. Well it’s good to see the staggering ignorance & lack of empathy is consistent & has been maintained between the appointments of Secretary of State. Heinous.

    The tories genuinely seem to believe that the only indication of a person’s functional capacity, value & potential is their economic productivity, & the only indication of their moral worth is their capability & degree of willingness to work.

    If the government genuinely wanted to “help” sick and disabled people into work, I’m certain they would not have cut the Independent Living Fund, Access to Work funding & made the eligibility criteria for PIP much more difficult to meet in order to simply reduce successful claims & cut costs. This has also meant that thousands have lost their Motability vehicles & support.

    A total of 45% or 13,900 people, were deemed as not needing the higher rate of PIP & therefore lost their vehicles after reassessment. And out of the 31,200 people who were once on the highest rate of DLA who have been reassessed, just 55%, or 17,300 – have kept their car.

    This is the life of a disabled person living under the punitive rule of the toxic elite, the selfservatives.

    And they dare to sneer at the UN who quite rightly point out the error of their ways.

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    #144020
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    I know Halloween has passed but, if you want a good fright, read on http://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/2016/november/un-report-highlight-govt-failure-uphold-disabled-peoples-rights

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    #144042
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    Perhaps we should not discuss politics here but it is impossible to remove them from teh lives of disabled folk. I am even more concerned that our ‘caring’ government, not sure who they actually care about, seems likely to be in place for a very long time. No effective opposition to bring them to book, will mean much more of this toxic nonsense to blight our lives for the forseeable future. Added to which is the almost imminet collapse of the NHS and what do we see ahead of us? Certainly not the supported and caring dignified life that we should expect.
    It is my continuing hope that even some of them might come down from their ivory tower in London and take a look at real life. We seem to be entering a war, whereby we are now having to fight our own government for basic rights. When the UN get involved you know it is bad, yet our leaders cannot recognise it.
    I remain thankful my time is nearly done, as living in today;s world is not a pleasant prospect unless you are rich and well connected.

    Mike

    So many love songs, so little love.

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    #144049
    Reply To: Chronic Illness Re Assessment

    I don’t see it as politics per se’.

    It’s quite obvious to any sentient person & no secret that, in this country the architects of the pain & suffering of the poor, sick & less-abled is the tory party.

    The report by the UN cements that fact.

    I will however of course respect your comments Mike & shall not get on my soap box again.

    I’m afraid I can’t contain my anger & frustration. I am as much exhausted as I am exasperated in our own fight with the DWP & I have to vent.

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    #144255
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    PLeas efeel free to get on your soap box. iw as not talking as a Moderator there, more as a speculator. Our futures and our conditions and our suport are intiamtely bound up with the government of the day, in this case it is the tories. We will not see a change of colour either for many years. If you cannot vent on here where can you vent. Indeed I will join you as a few moments before I came on here the council delivered a letter to me saying that we will now be charged for removing our greeen waste. Due, they say, to reduced funding from government. So no, as a disaabled person, I not only have to pay to get my garden sorted I also have to pay to have the material taken away. Why? Becasue I cannot do it myself because of my condition. Just another example of there attacks on those least able to help themselves.
    But you are also not looking on the bright side of things. The bankers are able to keep their bonuses now becasue we are all living within our means. The MPs were able to give themselves a 20% pay increase becasue they could not live on £80k a year, their living wage is obviously higher than the rest of us. But you also fail to notice the number of disabled MPs and indeed the number of disabled cabinet ministers that are there to support our claims. Ah wait, you cannot notice them because there are none.
    Perhaps we should have a rant section, I know I have put up one or two of my own, becasue it does make you feel much better getting such feelings in the open.
    I am of no particular political persuasion myself but sadly what this currentn goevernment is doing to disabled folk everywhere is despicable. A small example was I was asked to stop using some pain killers becasue they were too expensive. We are talking Tramadol Modifired Release. When I questioned how many addicts have been asked not to use methadone they backed down.
    Yes put me in for a rant section.

    Mike

    So many love songs, so little love.

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    #144275
    Reply To: Chronic Illness Re Assessment

    I wasn’t having a pop Mike.

    You’re quite right, it’s not polite to talk about politics.

    Like you, I am not of a particular party but, I do object to the ruling toxic elite that is our current government.

    The only thing that makes me angrier than them being in charge is the lack of opposition.

    Thanks to the Labour party fighting amongst themselves we’re left with a one party state as I reluctantly believe that Labour aren’t strong enough to challenge them.

    I can’t see any challenge to the tories & it really upsets me.

    See, I’ve started again. I just can’t help myself :bang: .

    Sorry.

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